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January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!

steve said:
Judging someone from a 100% strict interpretation of a verse is legalism in my book.
Strictly speaking, King David and Bathsheba were required to be stoned. But Yah decided to just take the child that resulted from the adultery.
I’m not advocating for not holding someone’s feet to the fire, but this super self-righteous condemnation is an obvious spiritual problem.
We need to show a bit more grace, Yah is their final judge.
And remember that man judges from the outside while Yah judges the heart.
Trump is presently our leader and we are instructed to pray for our leaders, it doesn’t say anything about condemning them and tearing them down.
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I’m not asking in regards to being a divine judge over someone. Only God can truly know the heart.

Do you have any personal problem declaring a person’s behaviors (in comparison to scripture) as reaching a point beyond which you can excuse them? Is it relative to the situation, or does no behavior warrant exclusion or condemnation?
 
Mojo said:
Do you have any personal problem declaring a person’s behaviors (in comparison to scripture) as reaching a point beyond which you can excuse them? Is it relative to the situation, or does no behavior warrant exclusion or condemnation?
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I’m not about excusing behavior.
I’m bothered by the judging and condemning spirits that are being displayed.
I am a person who is very prone to being critical and judgmental. I find that it often does not serve me well and more often than not causes problems. With three wives I’ve had to learn some hard lessons about jumping to conclusions based on the facts as I knew them.
Also, when I am judgmental and critical it’s easy for the wives to pick up that same spirit. The result is chaos.

So I don’t excuse behavior, I try to understand it. Often I find that my understanding is wrong. Other times I find that working through the situation with grace and forgiveness brings the best results.
And sometimes I have to live with the fact that not everything can be fixed. Yah Himself can’t fix it, because people have free will and they are sinners saved by grace.

So do I support Donald in everything that he does and says? No. But I have learned to be careful about second-guessing him. He has access to a lot more intel than I do, and he usually sees a bigger picture than I do. Do I wish that he was more perfect? Of course. But the only perfect man who ever lived wasn’t on the ballot, so I voted for Trump.
 
Transformator Reformator said:
Because the guy at Fort Hood was a terrorist Alex Pretti is therefore a terrorist? Makes me wonder what is your definition of a terrorist. I never said that because he was was ER nurse he cannot be a terrorist. I think you may be reacting to a different dialogue. to claim that someone is a terrorist should meet certain definitions.

Besides is straight of Hormus open or not? Did Trump at any point lie to the world about that or not?
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Wow! That went way over your head! No! The fact that Pretti was a nurse, does not make him LESS of a terrorist, any more than the terrorist at Ft Hood was less of a terrorist due to his occupation. You DID try to make the claim that not so pretti, was not a terrorist because of his profession, which is absurd! Now you are throwing out a Red Herring. The strait was open, until the Iranians attacked some vessels. When Trump made the statement, it held true. Trump was right that not so Pretti was a terrorist, because of his actions and what he did while hoding a dangerous weapon.
 
steve said:
So I don’t excuse behavior, I try to understand it. Often I find that my understanding is wrong.
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Thank you for your detailed response.

Would you chalk up the irreverent and erratic posts, in addition to mixed public messages from our President as being “a method in the madness”?
 
No matter which side of the Trump aisle you are on, this is hilarious. It’s written like scripture, but about Donald Trump.


“…Though he faced a vast alliance of the elect, Donald smote Hillary and her cohorts in battle after battle, and with a single blast of his trumpet brought down the Blue Wall of the Middle West, their great fortress...”
 
Mojo said:
Was Pretti holding or holstering a weapon?
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The video is unclear as to whether Pretti’s weapon was in his hand or not. Certainly the agents on the scene thought it was and can be heard stating as such in the audio.

I’m a big 2A supporter but it does come with consequences. Pretti waded into a physical altercation with armed men while carrying a weapon. He may not have deserved to die. Neither do drunk drivers. But sometimes our actions have results that have to born.
 
The Revolting Man said:
The video is unclear as to whether Pretti’s weapon was in his hand or not. Certainly the agents on the scene thought it was and can be heard stating as such in the audio.

I’m a big 2A supporter but it does come with consequences. Pretti waded into a physical altercation with armed men while carrying a weapon. He may not have deserved to die. Neither do drunk drivers. But sometimes our actions have results that have to born.
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I wasn’t making a judgment on his death or litigating from a video. That wasn’t my angle.

The original post by @Heavens Declare said “hoding”. It was hard to tell if the spelling error was: holding or hiding a weapon. It then got me wondering what the exact circumstances were.

My layman’s verdict was that it was holstered, and then he reached for it at some point. It was the reaching that got him shot, not the actual holding. Either reason could be deemed a justifiable shooting (holding or reaching for it). Even a 2A purist would have to agree on that aspect.

If it was simply holstering and only engaged in struggle…??? That’s a stretch. 2A kicks in, regardless of struggle in my book (If you make no attempt at using or reaching).

@Heavens Declare what was your original word intent?
 
Transformator Reformator said:
As it should.
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Likely BS reporting.
But let’s say it is true. Who gives a flip about the Ukraine or other US agreements? Is the point to say the US can’t be trusted? Good luck trying to argue that while you’re being strangled. It would be a pu**y move (not sure if that’s even a vulgarity, but just in case) from a point of weakness. One of the charter members of the axis of evil has no leg to stand on when national character is discussed.
 
Mojo said:
Is the point to say the US can’t be trusted?
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May be. Point is, reputation has been Compromised. It will take a miracle for trust to be restored. I do not even know how it can be restored anymore. Especially of recent threats directed toward NATO.

Let's hope the following is not about USA "
Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies."

Mojo said:
His opinion is just as relevant.
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He has 1.5 million views and influence. And he is correct. US taxpayers will be happy (no need to maintain bases).
. US workers will be happy, military equipment will still be purchased. And Iran has no reason to disrupt oil of the UAE. That was stated reason of Iran why they attacked Gulf states. So everybody wins.

Mojo said:
Who gives a flip about the Ukraine or other US agreements?
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Exactly. The rest of the world is picking up on that attitude to the detriment of the USA.
 
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Mojo said:
Would you chalk up the irreverent and erratic posts, in addition to mixed public messages from our President as being “a method in the madness”?
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I hate the vitriol and when I scrolled through it the one thing that caught my eye was the picture of Donald taking the oath without his hand on the Bible. That one bothered me so much that I looked it up.
Turns out that the picture was accurate but the claim that was made about it was a Damn Lie.

The truth was that J. D. had taken his oath first with his right hand on the Bible that he used and when it was Trumps turn, Justice Roberts started before Melania was in place beside Donald. Roberts told him to raise his right hand and started the oath. Trump never took his eyes off of Roberts and stated his oath without stumbling or prompting, unlike Barry Soetoro’s experience.
Trump had chosen the same two Bibles that he had taken the oath on in his previous ceremony eight years before. The Lincoln Bible and the one that his mother had given him in 1955.
So it was mere kerfluffle, as opposed to the disrespect that was claimed. That pretty much summed up all of the accusations for me.
When, in your hatred, you embrace the spirit of lies, you become a liar.

The different claims that he has made in public about what the Iranians are prepared to do have simply been a negotiation technique that were intentionally causing chaos between the various Iranian factions that want to lead the country.
 
Transformator Reformator said:
Point is, reputation has been Compromised. It will take a miracle for trust to be restored. I do not even know how it can be restored anymore. Especially of recent threats directed toward NATO.
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Except that it was NATO that couldn’t be trusted.
Trust is a very fickle thing, it will swing back when they are able to use us to meet their needs.
 
Transformator Reformator said:
Especially of recent threats directed toward NATO.
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NATO?
The obsolete organization formed to protect against the USSR? A country that no longer exists?

Trump and the DOS are rightfully looking at more important regional alliances to protect against more relevant dangers like China.

Pakistani is mediating?
Japan is signing new agreements
Abraham accords

Europe is decaying before our eyes.
 
steve said:
I hate the vitriol and when I scrolled through it the one thing that caught my eye was the picture of Donald taking the oath without his hand on the Bible. That one bothered me so much that I looked it up.
Turns out that the picture was accurate but the claim that was made about it was a Damn Lie.

The truth was that J. D. had taken his oath first with his right hand on the Bible that he used and when it was Trumps turn, Justice Roberts started before Melania was in place beside Donald. Roberts told him to raise his right hand and started the oath. Trump never took his eyes off of Roberts and stated his oath without stumbling or prompting, unlike Barry Soetoro’s experience.
Trump had chosen the same two Bibles that he had taken the oath on in his previous ceremony eight years before. The Lincoln Bible and the one that his mother had given him in 1955.
So it was mere kerfluffle, as opposed to the disrespect that was claimed. That pretty much summed up all of the accusations for me.
When, in your hatred, you embrace the spirit of lies, you become a liar.

The different claims that he has made in public about what the Iranians are prepared to do have simply been a negotiation technique that were intentionally causing chaos between the various Iranian factions that want to lead the country.
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The constitutional obligation doesn’t require the oath to be taken using a Bible. It’s a tradition from Washington.

I remember the kerfuffle about the oath in the rotunda. It was totally a Robert’s screw up.

It’s my firm belief that Trump loves to troll. It sometimes gets the best of him. The AI Jesus picture wasn’t aimed at Jesus. I believe it was aimed at trolling the pontiff at Rome. Trump views him rightfully as a useless talking head spewing nonsense while he (Trump) is actually making a difference in the world.

And you’re right. The level of hate and vitriol only shortens the lifespan of the hater. It’s not a good use of our time.
 
If Trump had actually created the “Jesus” meme, I would have a more negative reaction.
But just retweeting something that was posted months ago? C’mon kids, get over it. You are being successfully played.
 
Nonsense like this is not only stupid, it’s evil.
Proverbs has a lot to say about the lying tongue.
Tail bearers is the term for those who spread the lies.
 
steve said:
If Trump had actually created the “Jesus” meme, I would have a more negative reaction.
But just retweeting something that was posted months ago? C’mon kids, get over it. You are being successfully played.
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Sounds like you believe that Trump genuinely believed that he was posting himself as a doctor or red cross worker.
 
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