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[steve]

Christa Pike was sentenced to execution by lethal injection and that sentence was carried out.

In my humble opinion she has endured the price of her crime and she should be released.

In the past anyone who survived an execution was freed given that God had clearly redeemed the person.

I concur.

I’m not buying it.
My theory is that someone, at some point, compromised the chemicals.
They may not have done it with her in mind, it may have been an attempt to embarrass the state over the controversial decision to maintain a death penalty.

A sentence of execution shouldn’t evaporate because shenanigans interfered with the process.

 

[MemeFan]

You've dug yourself into such a deep hole you have to make foolish statements now to back up your claim. Stop digging and put down the shovel. Jesus Christ was present and Martha could sit and listen. She didn't have a New Testament Bible to read the gospels. Paul wrote telling Timothy to Preach the word! He didn't tell him to tell the people to ignore the Holy Scriptures and rely on logic and common sense. Wake up man!

Wake Up Man.

She did have Old Testament. What exactly Scripture did Bereans used to check Paul's claims? Old Testament.

You are again claiming I'm foolish, while, actually, you are too afraid to leave your familiar shore.



Even if I get lost, haven't you read Parable Of Lost Sheep? What are chances me staying lost? Zero. What are your changes of advancing? Zero. Rewards only go to explorers.

 

[MeganC]

I’m not buying it.
My theory is that someone, at some point, compromised the chemicals.
They may not have done it with her in mind, it may have been an attempt to embarrass the state over the controversial decision to maintain a death penalty.

A sentence of execution shouldn’t evaporate because shenanigans interfered with the process.

Pike was put on a gurney in a death chamber, she was administered the drugs to kill her, and she eventually went unconscious.

From her perspective she faced the death penalty.

That the so-called authorities screwed up is not an excuse to try again.

 

[frederick]

What exactly Scripture did Bereans used to check Paul's claims? Old Testament.

Yup, they read the Scriptures! No logic or common sense recommended.

Thank you for proving my point. I'm finished with this.

 

[steve]

Pike was put on a gurney in a death chamber, she was administered the drugs to kill her, and she eventually went unconscious.

From her perspective she faced the death penalty.

That the so-called authorities screwed up is not an excuse to try again.

It’s a lot less trauma than what she put her victim through.

 

[Heavens Declare]

Wake Up Man.

She did have Old Testament. What exactly Scripture did Bereans used to check Paul's claims? Old Testament.

You are again claiming I'm foolish, while, actually, you are too afraid to leave your familiar shore.

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Even if I get lost, haven't you read Parable Of Lost Sheep? What are chances me staying lost? Zero. What are your changes of advancing? Zero. Rewards only go to explorers.

If you're lost, you ought not be pretending to feed the sheep!

 

[MemeFan]

If you're lost, you ought not be pretending to feed the sheep!

Read again, man.

I said, in worst case scenario, one in which I get lost, I won't stay lost. But in best case scenario, you will stay as you are now.

It's you taking bigger risk. One of stagnation.

 

[MemeFan]

Yup, they read the Scriptures! No logic or common sense recommended.

Thank you for proving my point. I'm finished with this.

I screwed something when posting. Part below is missing.

You can use logic and common sense to check internal consistency of Scripture. It must be consistent, otherwise you would find situation where Lord says something is sin in one book, while in another He says it's not a sin.

Another reason to check logic/common sense is because illogic situation are caused by:

1) Lack of understanding rest of Scripture to "shine light" on current text.
2) "Reading" Scripture through wrong theology, so you can't "see" truth
3) Translators "improving" Scripture

For example, Lord says He doesn't change and He was fine with polygyny in Old Testament. Therefore it must follow that He is fine with polygyny in New Testament. Yet, many people claim that Lord changed His mind for New Testament.

See logical contradiction in previous paragraf? You can't as same time claim Lord doesn't change and Lord changes. So something must stink.

Which means such stinkings are path forward to better understand theology.

Besides, universe is build using math logic. What is your beef with Lord's tool?

 

[Heavens Declare]

Read again, man.

I said, in worst case scenario, one in which I get lost, I won't stay lost. But in best case scenario, you will stay as you are now.

It's you taking bigger risk. One of stagnation.

Nonetheless, it is you who is lost, and you are like the blind leading the blind. I will stay in the Word of God, so there is no chance of getting lost in the first place!

 

[Heavens Declare]

I screwed something when posting. Part below is missing.

You can use logic and common sense to check internal consistency of Scripture. It must be consistent, otherwise you would find situation where Lord says something is sin in one book, while in another He says it's not a sin.

You can't use logic and common sense WITHOUT reading the Scriptures. There! I fixed it for you!

Another reason to check logic/common sense is because illogic situation are caused by:

1) Lack of understanding rest of Scripture to "shine light" on current text.
2) "Reading" Scripture through wrong theology, so you can't "see" truth
3) Translators "improving" Scripture

But you still have to read the Scriptures!

For example, Lord says He doesn't change and He was fine with polygyny in Old Testament. Therefore it must follow that He is fine with polygyny in New Testament. Yet, many people claim that Lord changed His mind for New Testament.

Because they have been adding to the Scriptures and stating outright lies.

See logical contradiction in previous paragraf? You can't as same time claim Lord doesn't change and Lord changes. So something must stink.

So we don't claim that the Lord changes. That's not all that hard!

Which means such stinkings are path forward to better understand theology.

Besides, universe is build using math logic. What is your beef with Lord's tool?

We embrace logic, BUT we DON'T STOP reading God's Word!!!!!

 

[MeganC]

It’s a lot less trauma than what she put her victim through.

I agree.

Still, the woman was "put to death" and she survived through no action on her part. She paid the price.

 

[MemeFan]

You can't use logic and common sense WITHOUT reading the Scriptures. There! I fixed it for you!

You can. You can start with axiom which must be true and use logic very much. As long you don't make mistake, deduction guarantees that everything deduced is true.

It's not my problem you stay limited thanks to not using powerful tools.

But you still have to read the Scriptures!

And where is that commanded?

Because they have been adding to the Scriptures and stating outright lies.

And it's your task to be sceptical what you read.

Their failure doesn't justify your failure to use critical thinking.

So we don't claim that the Lord changes. That's not all that hard!

Read again. If you support monogamy-only, this claim is implicit.

We embrace logic, BUT we DON'T STOP reading God's Word!!!!!

You still don't get it. Are you worshipping Scripture instead of Lord?

I told you to focus on Lord and you still here are full of Scripture. Man, what are your priorities?

I said some things are more worth than Scripture. Starting with teaching by Lord.

Scripture is nothing than stories of Jesus's Revelations of Himself to humanity. What is better than other's Revelations? When Jesus Reveal Himself to you. Then belief isn't based on stories of others, but your personal experience.

And if Bible is blocking you to use common sense and logic to see I'm writing truth in above paragraf, sorry, but Bible is your stumbling block.

Many things are good, but, then all can become stumbing block. Have you heard of Bronze Serpent? Staff which could heal you by looking, but had to destroyed because Israelis forgot whom to worship.

 

[Maddog]

I agree.

Still, the woman was "put to death" and she survived through no action on her part. She paid the price.

I don't know what the sentence was, because semantics matter. Was she subject to death or the death penalty? Can the death penalty fail? Yes. Have others faced the death penalty and survived? Clearly yes. Was it the fault of the system to not look ahead and see that a dehydrated person has typically collapsing veins? Yes. Was it a fault of the system to not have an alternate injection site, e.g. carotid artery, pre-picked "just in case"? Yes. IMHO, this is not over for political reasons. Justice was NOT served but God obviously spared her life for now. Let her spend the rest of her days in a vegetative state or let her body waste away in misery while letting her feel the weight of the gravity of the murderous action- "cruel and unusual punishment" be damned.
Or say to her, "You are free to walk on your own two feet, no help from society, no wheelchair, no further medical care." The victim's death was relatively quick. May the perp's days of misery not be quick but long and drawn out. She has a chance for eternal life, may she find that.

 

[frederick]

You still don't get it. Are you worshipping Scripture instead of Lord?

You are worshipping your opinions and reasoning. You are committing heresy.

Scripture is nothing than stories of Jesus's Revelations of Himself to humanity.

That, sir, is blasphemy. Scripture is the very Word of the living and true God, breathed out; πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος (2 Tim. 3:16). You have crossed a line with your attempts to exalt your logic and reasoning above the authority of Holy Scripture. Stop!

 

[MemeFan]

You are worshipping your opinions and reasoning. You are committing heresy.

That, sir, is blasphemy. Scripture is the very Word of the living and true God, breathed out; πᾶσα γραφὴ θεόπνευστος (2 Tim. 3:16). You have crossed a line with your attempts to exalt your logic and reasoning above the authority of Holy Scripture. Stop!

I exalt Lord above Scripture and in accordance with my character, I use logic to prove my assertion.

There is no heresy here.

There is question which will shine perfect light on this issue. Do you love Lord more than your wives, children and, especially Scripture? Yes or No.

If answer is yes, then you taking my position. If answer is no, why are you breaking 1.st command of love?

 

[Heavens Declare]

I exalt Lord above Scripture and in accordance with my character, I use logic to prove my assertion.

There is no heresy here.

There is question which will shine perfect light on this issue. Do you love Lord more than your wives, children and, especially Scripture? Yes or No.

If answer is yes, then you taking my position. If answer is no, why are you breaking 1.st command of love?

The only thing you can really know about Jesus, is what is recorded in Scripture. Anything else comes from your own mind!

 

[Heavens Declare]

You can. You can start with axiom which must be true and use logic very much. As long you don't make mistake, deduction guarantees that everything deduced is true.

No! You cannot "check internal consistency of Scripture" without reading Scripture!

It's not my problem you stay limited thanks to not using powerful tools.

I am only limited to reading Scripture when it comes "to check internal consistency of Scripture".

And where is that commanded?

It is implicit when you "check internal consistency of Scripture"/ It needs no commandment!

And it's your task to be sceptical what you read.

I have been somewhat in the past, but when I came across the Hydroplate Theory, it erases any skepticism I had. You won't even investigate the Hydroplate Theory, so you have no room to talk when it comes to using logic, reason, and critical thinking!

Their failure doesn't justify your failure to use critical thinking.

You are the one who has demonstrated failure to use critical thinking!

Read again. If you support monogamy-only, this claim is implicit.

Which is why I don't!

You still don't get it. Are you worshipping Scripture instead of Lord?

No one here supports worshipping of Scripture! We support READING of Scripture in order to know more about the One whom we worship! The "Straw Man" fallacy you are employing, is not proper use of critical thinking skills!

I told you to focus on Lord and you still here are full of Scripture. Man, what are your priorities?

On the Lord who is revealed in Scripture, not whatever you wish for the Lord to be!

I said some things are more worth than Scripture. Starting with teaching by Lord.

All of which is contained in Scripture!

Scripture is nothing than stories of Jesus's Revelations of Himself to humanity. What is better than other's Revelations? When Jesus Reveal Himself to you. Then belief isn't based on stories of others, but your personal experience.

Wow! Why don't you just follow Joseph Smith? After all, didn't he purport to have revelations?

And if Bible is blocking you to use common sense and logic to see I'm writing truth in above paragraf, sorry, but Bible is your stumbling block.

That is really lousy logic on your part. Again, I have never claimed that you cannot use logic and common sense. What you CANNOT do is "to check internal consistency of Scripture" WITHOUT READING SCRIPTURE!!!!!!!

Many things are good, but, then all can become stumbing block. Have you heard of Bronze Serpent? Staff which could heal you by looking, but had to destroyed because Israelis forgot whom to worship.

I actually read about the bronze serpent in a book. I'll let you guess which book I read about it in!

 

[MemeFan]

The only thing you can really know about Jesus, is what is recorded in Scripture. Anything else comes from your own mind!

And how did Scripture get written? Moses did have personal experience.

You are assuming Jesus stopped doing personal revelations. And won't communicate except by Scripture. Lol, why would Lord limit himself that way?

Why we can't have someone like Samuel who stayed with personal contact with Lord? Maybe you don't have faith this is possible.

 

[MemeFan]

No! You cannot "check internal consistency of Scripture" without reading Scripture!

Read again. There are ways to find truth without reading Scripture. How did @paterfamilias and his wives figured out polygyny without Scripture?

Truth must be consistent, no matter how you find it.

It is implicit when you "check internal consistency of Scripture"/ It needs no commandment!

You are avoiding answering question. Where is Lord's command to read Scripture? Surely, He didn't forgot something so important.

I have been somewhat in the past, but when I came across the Hydroplate Theory, it erases any skepticism I had. You won't even investigate the Hydroplate Theory, so you have no room to talk when it comes to using logic, reason, and critical thinking!

I remember asking questions here on forum and finding not good enough answers.

It's not my duty to investigate every scientific theory.

You are the one who has demonstrated failure to use critical thinking!

Assertion without proof.

No one here supports worshipping of Scripture! We support READING of Scripture in order to know more about the One whom we worship! The "Straw Man" fallacy you are employing, is not proper use of critical thinking skills!

Fine, read Scripture. Keep relying on second hand report which Bible by definition is. Does Bible contain your personal experiences? No, so it's second hand report.

If I have question, I would do obvious. Ask Lord in prayer.

Besides, you are again avoiding answering question. What is more important? Lord or Bible?
Would you leave Bible for Lord?

On the Lord who is revealed in Scripture, not whatever you wish for the Lord to be!

So Lord has stopped Revealing Himself to people? He did only in good old times of writing Scripture? He must be too lazy now.

You know, Bible is full of personal Revelations of Lord. From memory in Scripture Lord Revealed Himself to Abraham, Samuel and Moses. Then all talked with Lord. He must be deaf and mute now.

You know, you can ask for something similar. Are finding yourself not worthy enough of His presence?

I do sometimes sense Lord's personal presence. I ask for it and sometimes He shows Himself. I don't need to know He exist, because I know from experience He exists.

You can pray for it and He will answer it.

All of which is contained in Scripture!

Wow! Why don't you just follow Joseph Smith? After all, didn't he purport to have revelations?

And which spirit did show to Joseph Smith?

Besides, why I want want to know what was Joseph Smith's experience, when I can pray for my own?

That is really lousy logic on your part. Again, I have never claimed that you cannot use logic and common sense. What you CANNOT do is "to check internal consistency of Scripture" WITHOUT READING SCRIPTURE!!!!!!!

Stop screaming Scripture. Have a normal conversation.

Grow up. I don't need to validate your position "must read Scripture" or something similar fo have normal conversation with person.

 

[steve]

Can you take this argument elsewhere, these aren’t random comments.