I have become a mormon 9 years ago. Been very active in the church. As I studied my scriptures very deeply I new the Church has changed so much. My wife is so wonderful she was a missionary for the church. We have moved to Utah to join the Aub and have been members their for a little over 4 years. I know if I stay I will become a polygamist as this is a Testamony to me and My Wife. However I bought a New King James Version. and I have come to believe that Jesus will truly save us by Grace and not works. Even though Faith without works is dead. I have felt alot of Peace and Joy from knowing I am truly Saved. And I still have the desire to abound in good works. Eric
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Brother Eric,
I would normally talk about this in pm but since you have posted this in the public I will assume you are ok with a public dialog about this.
First, PRAISE THE LORD that you have now rightly been led by the Spirit to see we are indeed born again from above by the Spirit through grace that leads us to faith (John 3:3-8; Eph.1:1-11; 2:1-10). I am so excited and I am simply bouncing over here as I rejoice over you in this. A new and proper understanding of this is so essential and so very foundational.
Second, am I understanding you correctly that you intend to remain with this version of faith, i.e. the Mormon faith? If I am reading that right let me urge you here to reconsider that position. If you are newly born again with a new position that salvation is only by grace through faith there stands between you and the Mormon a vast chasm of such proportions that you cannot in integrity walk among them as one of their disciples any more. Dr. Paige Patterson, one of the most well known and highly respected leaders of this nation and beyond once spoke of this issue when talking about being friends with the Mormons yet keeping our distinctions from them. He once said: "Though we stand with our Mormons in regard to the common quest of freedom of religion for all we still have a difference over the gospel as wide as the chasm of the Grand Canyon." Mormons in the realm of the common natural disciplines of life can be good citizens, even good loyal friends in regard to common endeavors of life. But a Mormon leader and a true born again disciple of Christ cannot mix because one is of the night and the other is of the day. One religion affirms that Jesus Christ is truly God in the flesh and the other rejects that fundamental, foundational, first order doctrine.
Therefore, third, in my rejoicing with you for the true gospel that your eyes now see I would out of love urge you with all of my heart to kindly and respectfully sever your ties to that religion and associate for the purposes of the gospel with those who will support you without reservation that salvation is by grace through faith alone that then leads to the fruit of good works. If you do that you'll find a new wind underneath your wings and a blessing of the Lord will overshadow you as you travel the journey home to glory while seeking to find more who can come to the light of Christ along the way as you go.
Dr. Allen
I would normally talk about this in pm but since you have posted this in the public I will assume you are ok with a public dialog about this.
First, PRAISE THE LORD that you have now rightly been led by the Spirit to see we are indeed born again from above by the Spirit through grace that leads us to faith (John 3:3-8; Eph.1:1-11; 2:1-10). I am so excited and I am simply bouncing over here as I rejoice over you in this. A new and proper understanding of this is so essential and so very foundational.
Second, am I understanding you correctly that you intend to remain with this version of faith, i.e. the Mormon faith? If I am reading that right let me urge you here to reconsider that position. If you are newly born again with a new position that salvation is only by grace through faith there stands between you and the Mormon a vast chasm of such proportions that you cannot in integrity walk among them as one of their disciples any more. Dr. Paige Patterson, one of the most well known and highly respected leaders of this nation and beyond once spoke of this issue when talking about being friends with the Mormons yet keeping our distinctions from them. He once said: "Though we stand with our Mormons in regard to the common quest of freedom of religion for all we still have a difference over the gospel as wide as the chasm of the Grand Canyon." Mormons in the realm of the common natural disciplines of life can be good citizens, even good loyal friends in regard to common endeavors of life. But a Mormon leader and a true born again disciple of Christ cannot mix because one is of the night and the other is of the day. One religion affirms that Jesus Christ is truly God in the flesh and the other rejects that fundamental, foundational, first order doctrine.
Therefore, third, in my rejoicing with you for the true gospel that your eyes now see I would out of love urge you with all of my heart to kindly and respectfully sever your ties to that religion and associate for the purposes of the gospel with those who will support you without reservation that salvation is by grace through faith alone that then leads to the fruit of good works. If you do that you'll find a new wind underneath your wings and a blessing of the Lord will overshadow you as you travel the journey home to glory while seeking to find more who can come to the light of Christ along the way as you go.
Dr. Allen
Thank you for joining the discussion. 
The important thing is that one chooses to have a personal relationship of the proper type with the true Jesus Christ.
It does not matter so much if you believe the right book, but if you have a proper relationship with the right true God.
A respect for the true Jesus Christ should grant one to desire to know what he really says. One would want to know if the different books of the Bible as well as the book of Mormon are really from Jesus or someone else, if one has the proper desire for the truth as a result of love for the authentic Jesus.
Have you ever seen this film, which investigates the book of Abraham, interviewing both Mormons and Egyptologists about the translation process from Egyptian?
http://www.bookofabraham.info/
The important thing is that one chooses to have a personal relationship of the proper type with the true Jesus Christ.
It does not matter so much if you believe the right book, but if you have a proper relationship with the right true God.
A respect for the true Jesus Christ should grant one to desire to know what he really says. One would want to know if the different books of the Bible as well as the book of Mormon are really from Jesus or someone else, if one has the proper desire for the truth as a result of love for the authentic Jesus.
Have you ever seen this film, which investigates the book of Abraham, interviewing both Mormons and Egyptologists about the translation process from Egyptian?
http://www.bookofabraham.info/
Taller on my knees
Member
Greetings Eric and welcome!
You and your family have so many blessings in store for you as you grow in your knowledge and faith. The members here are a great sounding board to bounce ideas off, and a huge source of strength to lean on when times get tough. And, if I know the nature of our adversary, they will. :evil:
I suspect that your view of Jesus will not be well accepted by your Mormon bretheren, but stand firm on that one revelation and then build upon it. Be a seeker of the Truth in all things. Be dilligent in study, prayer and, above all, Grace! As you grow in your faith, you may encounter long held ideas and beliefs that you must either revise or relinquish in order to remain faithful to God's Truth. Letting go is hard sometimes. I know that it is for me because it implies that I was wrong to begin with and my Ego hates that. :lol:
Most of us here on BF are Christian or Messianic. With that being said, you will find that many view the Mormon faith as a false teaching. While we all hope to speak the Truth in love, please bear with us if we don't always agree or seem to harp. What is being said in most cases IS spoken in love but, being broken humans, we all can fall into the traps of legalism and pressuring. I do tend to see less of it here on this board than just about anywhere else though.
God may choose to use your dialog with those in your community to possibly bring about a great reformation and revival. I believe that the Mormon faith probably would have already had this take place if they were not forced to be so isolated. Most of our culture tends to disregard them based on the solitary issue of polygamy, regardless if they are FLDS or not.
The decriminalization of polygyny would be a great step forward. Without the need to hide their activities, the FLDS groups may feel more comfortable with outside dialogue. With that would come a measure of accountability that can put an end to the darker behaviors of the few who give polygamy such a negative image.
Again, welcome. Should you ever need someone to bounce an idea off or have need of prayer, several here are willing to answer the call. I know I am. May God abundantly bless you and your house.
-WILL
You and your family have so many blessings in store for you as you grow in your knowledge and faith. The members here are a great sounding board to bounce ideas off, and a huge source of strength to lean on when times get tough. And, if I know the nature of our adversary, they will. :evil:
I suspect that your view of Jesus will not be well accepted by your Mormon bretheren, but stand firm on that one revelation and then build upon it. Be a seeker of the Truth in all things. Be dilligent in study, prayer and, above all, Grace! As you grow in your faith, you may encounter long held ideas and beliefs that you must either revise or relinquish in order to remain faithful to God's Truth. Letting go is hard sometimes. I know that it is for me because it implies that I was wrong to begin with and my Ego hates that. :lol:
Most of us here on BF are Christian or Messianic. With that being said, you will find that many view the Mormon faith as a false teaching. While we all hope to speak the Truth in love, please bear with us if we don't always agree or seem to harp. What is being said in most cases IS spoken in love but, being broken humans, we all can fall into the traps of legalism and pressuring. I do tend to see less of it here on this board than just about anywhere else though.
God may choose to use your dialog with those in your community to possibly bring about a great reformation and revival. I believe that the Mormon faith probably would have already had this take place if they were not forced to be so isolated. Most of our culture tends to disregard them based on the solitary issue of polygamy, regardless if they are FLDS or not.
The decriminalization of polygyny would be a great step forward. Without the need to hide their activities, the FLDS groups may feel more comfortable with outside dialogue. With that would come a measure of accountability that can put an end to the darker behaviors of the few who give polygamy such a negative image.
Again, welcome. Should you ever need someone to bounce an idea off or have need of prayer, several here are willing to answer the call. I know I am. May God abundantly bless you and your house.
-WILL
Thank you all for your encouragement it is good to know people like you. I truly believe all sects have some truth with some having more. I feel it is very important to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Their are alot I am studing in the Bible. I wonder about Paul in 1Corinthians talking about Baptism for the Dead. The verse before is talking about God and his Son Jesus Christ. He says Why are THEY baptised for the Dead. I am wondering if it is talking about them. If it was us to be Baptised for the Dead it would probally read Why are We baptised for the Dead. This verse troubles me. I am Praying for understanding. Also Jesus says We must be born of water and the Spirit. I understand in ACTs they were baptised but didn't yet receive the Holy Ghost. The Apostles later gave it to them by the Laying on of Hands. I also have talked to Christians who believe those never baptised due to not hearing the Gospel go to hell. I believe they are not under the law and will still be saved. I have run out of time here on the computer at the Library so. Thank you for all of your replies. God Bless you all in your search for truth. Your Brother in the Gospel Eric
