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Frank in Florida New member wants you to watch a web video

frankmaui

frankmaui

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Hello All,

I am a new online member. Signed up yesterday....

Some of you know me personally, as I have attended several retreats and I attend a weekly support group for plural families.
To those of you that do not know me....HELLO from Frank!
I am a single male aged 42. I believe in polygyny and plural family as a Godly choice.

Tonight, I came across this web video of a series against polygyny/plural family.
It is slanted towards Mormon factions. The moderator is against the Mormon church and also against polygyny.
Also, the moderator mentions "christian polygamy" as a growing problem....(hey! thats us)
I am posting the link here because I would like to hear discussion concerning the viewpoints of this moderator.
I am not knowledgeable enough to refute some of moderators examples of why polygyny is not acceptable.
For example...the female moderator says that when Moses broke the tablets...that somehow took away our patriarchal right to have more than one wife??

What is funny about the web video are several of the callers are plural friendly...

Here is the web link for the web video
http://www.whatloveisthis.tv/epz_latest.htm

Regards,
Frank
 
Frank,

Welcome. Hope you find many supportive friends here. We are not practicing pm yet, but have had the revelation directly from God on the subject. TThe good news is that those who oppose it will not prevail against God.

Be blessed,

Dr. Ray
 
I watched the beginning of the video and it seems to be trying to convince women not to be polygamous. I will watch the rest later, but it doesn't seem to be helpful at all.

Another thing is that I had never heard of that "higher law" junk. If that was the case, then any polygamous family that came after this supposed event would have been sinful and that just isn't the case. I was not impressed but I am going to explore the websites that she mentioned to get a better understanding of what her ministry is.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention Frank.

SweetLissa
 
While I haven't been able to suffer through the whole thing yet, the first minute or so contains the essential grain of truth that is usually present in the most well-crafted lies, so that they "go down easy".

In this case, it's the statement that polygamy "is not required" for salvation.

Duh.

Neither is marriage of ANY kind, of course -- as the Bible makes clear. It's a trivial argument in other words, which ultimately says NOTHING about the real issue outside of a cultish level of Bible distortion.

Setting up a straw man argument, and then knocking it down, is another great tactic for diversion from the truth and selling a lie. Whether it's a "church" which likes to mix paganism with the Bible, so that those with "eyes to see" can, with some justification, reject ALL of God's Word, or the atheist who tries to pick out something objectionable in Scripture, ignore the context and the teaching, and then reject it all -- the same pattern is at work here.

(It also serves as a good introduction as to why I prefer the technically-correct term "polygyny" to the Mormonism-tainted word "polygamy".)

More later, perhaps.

Blessings in His Truth,

Mark
 
Thanks, Lissa - looks like you weren't yet able to suffer through the whole thing either, but managed to get a bit further than I did. :D

I'll have to pay attention to that "higher law" comment as well. Usually, that is said by someone who worships Another god, having replaced the 'commandments of God ' with the traditions of men...but we'll see, in this case. There's a whole set of these evidently.
 
The higher law stuff had to do with when Moses went to Mt. Sinai and brought down the first tablets and broke them. The claim is that a group claims this "Law" was higher than what was given with the second set of tablets that Moses brought down from Sinai. I have never heard that argument before, so it must be pretty obscure.

It was hard to watch this program but my real motivation was getting ready for work. I only have so much time in the morning but I had to at least see what it was about.

I sure would like to see one of these videos that has an accurate portrayal of Contemporary Christian marriage regardless of number of wives.

SweetLissa
 
Ok,

Basically this video is one episode of a localTV show this lady has in Utah. I listened to a few episodes while doing stuff around the house. Basically she grew up in a fundamentalist morman group who practiced poly (among other not so good stuff, i'm sure) and she "escaped" and became an evangelical christian. Her TV show is basically a ministry to tell people "get out of mormonism altogether" but she uses the platform of "poly is evil" to show how mormon is false doctrine. She asks leading questions of callers who don't agree with her then she cuts their calls short. Lots of her christianity talk is peppered with feminism and silly misrepresentation of scripture that even my kids could probabaly correct on the spot! Her arguments from scripture are very transparently incorrect! Mark would eat her for lunch! Naah, maybe just as a breath mint afterwards! :)
 
I watched the whole episode and she didn't get into Christian polygamy other than to acknowledge its existence and assert that it is a "contradiction in terms." Unfortunately, all the callers who disagreed with here were Mormons of some type, so there was really no debate. Worse, none of them brought up any of the harder questions in the Bible; all of them offered (in my view) ineffective and often irrational emotional arguments.

I was hoping to hear even one caller ask something like:
Does God sin, or portray Himself as a sinner? Then how can He portray Himself as a polygamist in both OT and NT?
If polygamy is adultery, will adulterers inherit the kingdom of God? Will Abraham, David, Joshua, or Gideon be in heaven?
Does God participate in sin? Why then does He say that He gave David multiple wives?
etc, etc.

Shows like this make me continue to wish that more Christians actually were willing to read and study God's word. Perhaps the lack of a Christian response to the view espoused on this show is a challenge to us all.
 
Joe,

In another episode of her series she deals with the "Did God give David many wives?" and she says he didn't that God just gave him Saul's "women" and that David probably set them free and did not treat them as wives and actually Saul had just one wife anyway! She was making my head spin!!
 
Let me get this straight: God gave an illustration saying that a rich man who had many sheep had taken a poor man's only sheep. Then He says in effect, "I gave you all of your master's wives (and would've given you more) so why did you take that guy's only wife?" The parable was worded specifically to fit David's life. But it doesn't fit at all if David had only one wife after having set the rest free. Plus, God said He gave him "his master's house" as well. Did he set that free too? She's totally grasping at straws and using tons of imagination on that one!

Still, I've never heard anyone answer how all of the Biblical polygamists are both unrepentant adulterers and heaven-bound. Wouldn't that make God a respecter of persons? Hmm...yeah. Doesn't look like you can say polygamy is adultery...(and be consistent anyway).
 
I used to say that such things had far more to do with Lewis Carroll's Through the Looking Glass than the Bible.

In particular, the Red Queen, who was famous for having told Alice,
"I can believe SIX impossible things before breakfast!"
 
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