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I am also considering, with the guidance of my hubby, writing an anonymous defense of PM, including links, and sending to various churches, targeting a city at a time. Will it change anything? I don't know but it will at least put it on their minds
 
I starting to feel like I'm being a negative person but, if you look at the cases the ACLU actively handle concerning polygamy they seem only interested in the rights of children of polygamist families, custody and the rights of polygamist wives filter through the veiws of the ACLU.

Jennifer said:
I am also considering, with the guidance of my hubby, writing an anonymous defense of PM, including links, and sending to various churches, targeting a city at a time. Will it change anything? I don't know but it will at least put it on their minds
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I'm all for grass roots. Will it make a diffrence I will always hope that biblical truth will prevail. But.......

1 Timothy 4:3

3 They forbid marriage and require abstinence from meats (vegans) which G-d created to be eaten with thanksgiving (on feastdays) by those who have come to trust and to know the truth.

I beleive 1 Tim 4:3 is a prophecy for our times and all marriage is in jeopardy. So I Pray that it's G-ds will that things change for the better but prepare for thints to unfold as scripture says they will.

Keep planting.
 
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I’m digging the activist mindset though honestly...

I’m constantly preaching polygyny to those around me... mostly in the context of the “creation mandate” being a great way to raise up disciples... not to mention God’s design for life and the building block of society being the family unit & offspring.

Since the system is so corrupt and immoral and worsening by the year... I tend to simply stick to my preaching and live quietly outside the system... However I do applaud those that’ll take the fight right to their doorstep and actually try to bring about change concerning the wholesome family option of polygyny.
 
rustywest4 said:
I’m digging the activist mindset though honestly...

I’m constantly preaching polygyny to those around me... mostly in the context of the “creation mandate” being a great way to raise up disciples... not to mention God’s design for life and the building block of society being the family unit & offspring.

Since the system is so corrupt and immoral and worsening by the year... I tend to simply stick to my preaching and live quietly outside the system... However I do applaud those that’ll take the fight right to their doorstep and actually try to bring about change concerning the wholesome family option of polygyny.
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Rusty, would you like to help me write something to include in my email to pastors. I don't want to recreate the wheel if someone already has a pretty good argument written out.
 
Jennifer said:
Rusty, would you like to help me write something to include in my email to pastors. I don't want to recreate the wheel if someone already has a pretty good argument written out.
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Consider the resources on the front page of Biblical Families. Also, natsab.com has a Biblical Marriage page with a number of downladable oresources and other...
 
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I do like the positive mindset and the determination to do something. Some of us get a little jaded sometimes.
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And, things are being done.... just takes time. Post memes.
 
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To bring about a lawsuit to change the law does there first have to be an offense? Do have to apply for a license and then be denied?
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That would be pretty much how it works, harm would have to be shown, but it would first have to go though the local county/state level, then be denied, then appealed to a higher court, denied, then appealed, eventually to the supreme Court to filter back down to all states.

The issue that is not really talked about, and appears missing in this legal abstract is how does plural families effect the welfare and social security systems. Today's child support systems are heavily steered by these support systems all for the WELFARE OF THE CHILDREN, which has nothing to do with children in the end. And so I believe changes to the marriage structure beyond involving more than two would require a substantial rewrite of the welfare system. In the end it's really bigamy laws related to social support systems that's being challenged. The polygamy battle is worth fighting as the welfare systems is flawed in its self anyway.
 
Jennifer said:
Rusty, would you like to help me write something to include in my email to pastors. I don't want to recreate the wheel if someone already has a pretty good argument written out.
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Hey homegirl... honored you’d ask... but although I have slowly been putting together a written “coming out” ordeal to deliver to family eventually, it won’t be anything too fancy in comparison to some of the written polygyny work some of the guys on here have already compiled! ... If I remember correctly there has been a couple different papers written and even a couple short books??? Guys help me out here homies?

But yea, if you’d like I can share the informational portion of my letter once it’s finalized...

#worldwar3 #polygynywarrior :cool:
 
Jennifer said:
To bring about a lawsuit to change the law does there first have to be an offense? Do have to apply for a license and then be denied?
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Kevin pointed quite properly to a link about how the Sister Wives folks got bounced out of the Supreme Court because they didn't have what is called "standing," meaning that they had never been prosecuted for being polygamists. In order to be successful in the judicial system, one has to have standing, which means one would first have to be arrested or prosecuted or in some way harmed by a governmental entity in a way that could be construed as causing one to lose one's civil liberties.

Unfortunately, though, anyone who thinks the American Civil Liberties Union would be a beneficial entity to contact about this hasn't been paying attention over the past few years. The ACLU has jettisoned almost all of the civil libertarian attorneys from its advisory board, because they have very purposefully decided to abandon the mission by which it previously operated for many decades. Today's ACLU is not the ACLU that previously defended the free expression of both Klan members and student activists. They have made a decision to devote all of their resources to supporting far left activism groups akin to Black Lives Matter, Antifa, Don't Shoot, MoveOn.org, etc. So they've become partisan, and you can bet they aren't going to defend anyone who is emphasizing a Christian or conservative lifestyle.
 
@Kevin, just saw your tag, but can't really add to what Keith said about the links you posted. If you haven't already been hurt, you don't have a case, and nobody wants to be that test case.

@Jennifer, of course you should do whatever God is calling you to do, but apart from very specific direction from the Spirit, I'd caution you against attacking a battleship with a pea shooter, which is approximately what publishing articles and letters for people who don't wanna hear it comes across as. Generally better to work with people closer to you that you have some social equity and leverage with.

That's just some statistics-based general wisdom, though—God often calls us to do things that would otherwise be deemed foolish. Pray about it with your husband and then do anything y'all believe God is calling you to do.
 
Good article about the constitutional right to polygamy. However, I was reading an online forum about some criticisms of polygamy and their was one that said that you rarely see polygamous families stay together very long and grow old together. It was a woman making this critique; I would like people's comments on this view.
 
Why start by looking at a culture violently opposed to polygamy? Take a look at the countries where polygamy is normal (and not being actively undermined by Western countries) and ask whether THOSE families stay together.

[Edit: Not a criticism of @sun's question, but rather of the Western point of view that is almost always assumed in these discussions. Even among BF folk. ;)]

As for the article that OP linked, the lead sentences mistake group marriage for polygamy, and so I didn't read very far into it.
Ronald C. Den Otter said:
This Article takes seriously the substantive due process and equal protection arguments that support plural marriage (being able to marry more than one person at the same time). While numerous scholars have written about same-sex marriage, few of them have had much to say about marriages among three or more individuals.
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I find utterly silly the pursuit of abstruse changes to law so that each marriage can involve an arbitrary number of persons, when removing the arbitrary limit that Western countries place on how many marriages a man may have would be elementary.
 
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sun said:
Good article about the constitutional right to polygamy. However, I was reading an online forum about some criticisms of polygamy and their was one that said that you rarely see polygamous families stay together very long and grow old together. It was a woman making this critique; I would like people's comments on this view.
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Monogamous marriages fail around 50% of the time (roughly), little better than a coin flip. For some demographics that pushes 80%. The failure rate of any form of marriage is not an argument against it's validity or morality. In other words, its an argument that cuts both ways.

We could also say that polygamy would fail less often if society didn't persecute it, if women were not encouraged to divorce their husbands. We could also say that there are no good stats on the longevity of polygamy in our culture because of the secretive nature of its practitioners due to the legal situation.
 
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