Ok, so there are 12 lost tribes. This makes sense since there is no reference to ten lost tribes in the New Testament Scriptures.
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10 Tribes
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I've heard it said that there is no reference to polygyny in the 'New' Testament, either. Both statements are wrong. (The "lost sheep" of beit Israel are mentioned twice in Matthew, for example. At minimum, it's a "Venn Diagram" that overlaps.)
But 12 tribes are referenced, 10 are not.
I’m trying to understand what’s being said in this thread. The terms being used seem to change meaning in a way that seems convenient. Maybe I am just misunderstanding something. Is the good news that Yeshua proclaimed, for non-Hebrews or only for those with a genetic link to Jacob? Will there be any non-hebrew people who did not physically convert to become part of Israel, in heaven/future kingdom/seated at the table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob?
The twelve tribes are mentioned over and over and OVER again throughout Scripture; they are the basis of 'kol Israel.'
They just aren't always the same twelve...
It appears that some of us who believe similarly, have some key differences in our understanding as well. I believe that the House of Israel is the ten northern tribes. When Yeshua came to earth in a mortal body, he came to save the House of Israel. She was the nation that he had divorced and she did not have a way to come back into covenant with him. EVERYONE else on earth, had a way to be in covenant with him.
The concept of adoption was demonstrated coming out of Egypt. So, the House of Judah simply needed to straighten up their act and repent. Those that were not of the descendants of Jacob, would need to come seeking to be grafted into his people.
So, for the House of Israel, he had to die to break the bond of the law that says that a woman who has been divorced and has married herself unto another may never come back and marry her former husband. Our Messiah wrapped himself in mortal flesh so that he could die knowing full well that the law also states that death breaks a marital bond. This means even this bond of a former husband. When he rose from the grave, he was an eligible bachelor. The new covenant is promised to us BECAUSE, the former marital covenant was broken by his death.
Whether we are descendants of the ten northern or the 2 southern, matters very little for our salvation sake. If we want to be in covenant with him, then we must be grafted into Israel. You don't need to worry about what house you would become a part of, Yah will sort us out and he won't need a sorting hat to do it!
Soooo… no non-hebrews in the kingdom?It appears that some of us who believe similarly, have some key differences in our understanding as well. I believe that the House of Israel is the ten northern tribes. When Yeshua came to earth in a mortal body, he came to save the House of Israel. She was the nation that he had divorced and she did not have a way to come back into covenant with him. EVERYONE else on earth, had a way to be in covenant with him.
The concept of adoption was demonstrated coming out of Egypt. So, the House of Judah simply needed to straighten up their act and repent. Those that were not of the descendants of Jacob, would need to come seeking to be grafted into his people.
So, for the House of Israel, he had to die to break the bond of the law that says that a woman who has been divorced and has married herself unto another may never come back and marry her former husband. Our Messiah wrapped himself in mortal flesh so that he could die knowing full well that the law also states that death breaks a marital bond. This means even this bond of a former husband. When he rose from the grave, he was an eligible bachelor. The new covenant is promised to us BECAUSE, the former marital covenant was broken by his death.
Whether we are descendants of the ten northern or the 2 southern, matters very little for our salvation sake. If we want to be in covenant with him, then we must be grafted into Israel. You don't need to worry about what house you would become a part of, Yah will sort us out and he won't need a sorting hat to do it!
when people are adopted into a family, they still retain their race. They have a new family and often a new citizenship. So there will be changes and if we want to be part of God's people, we must be grafted in / adopted into his people.
For all of the people who are NOT descendants of Jacob, we will become his descendants through Christ.
Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Why does it say Abraham and not Jacob? Because it was just speaking of the faith that Abraham had that allowed him to enter into the covenant with God even though he was not yet circumcised demonstrating that the covenant is a heart issue. It is faith that allows us to enter into the covenant. Other scriptures tell us clearly that the promise given to Abraham was extended to the son of the promise, Issac and then again to his son, Jacob whose name was changed to Israel.
This is us, taking on a new citizenship. Bound then by the laws of the constitution of that nation.
Num 15:29 Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
Num 15:30 But the soul that doeth ought presumptuously, whether he be born in the land, or a stranger, the same reproacheth the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
Num 15:31 Because he hath despised the word of the LORD, and hath broken his commandment, that soul shall utterly be cut off; his iniquity shall be upon him.
Yeah, there it is. A simple no, would have sufficed.
What about Able, Enoch, Noah and the boys, Melchizedek, the people of Nineveh, and Titus, will they be in the Kingdom?
This is why the words matter SO much. New 'citizens' who don't know the meaning of the words don't, and can't, understand the fundamental meaning of that constitution.
(Ask yourself: What was the purpose of the Oath of Office, not just for the President, and Senate, but all "sworn officials." And why it no longer matters. Look at the DC 'judges' and who they DO NOT serve.)
This is how not just the no-longer-united States, but most of the nations of the world, are being deliberately destroyed.
And how ALL of those tribes, but especially the ten 'lost tribes,' lost their very identity as well.
When Americans used to be taught 'civics' it included understanding why the Declaration of Independence was the literal foundation of this united confederation of States (thus the proper pronoun 'these' united States) and that the basis for all Law was 'the Law of the Land,' because we were endowed by "our Creator" with Right that came from Him, and the singular purpose of this government was to "secure those Rights."
You can't even be 'grafted in' without knowing Who the "head of the house" is, Who makes the rules.
"Return to Me," should resonate today!
grafted in.... Or simply, "yes".
Grafted in… to what?
We will all be a part of the House of Israel or the House of Judah in the end.... Which tribe among them? Who knows. He will sort us as he sees fit.
The Kingdom of God only has 12 gates and none of them say Gentile on it.
It seems to bother you that people will be grafted into Israel. I don't understand why though. I am not trying to be snarky or anything. I just don't understand why that would bother anyone.
We are the children of God. It makes perfect sense that we would be adopted by one of his wives. Full adoption with Native born rights.
Help me understand why this doesn't feel right to you... Thanks!
I don’t have a problem with it if Scripture says that. Where does it say we are grafted into Israel?
Romans 11:17-27 NKJV
17 And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18 do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you.
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either. 22 Therefore consider the goodness and severity of God: on those who fell, severity; but toward you, goodness, if you continue in His goodness. Otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”
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When Paul says "All of Israel will be saved." I don’t think he’s talking about every single Israelite - including the Pharisees that were doing evil. But he’s talking about the complete house of Israel.
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