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20 tonnes of tnt

I think Trump is being played very skillfully. Those running the show know he's emotive, want a war, and want to get rid of him. So they give him enough of a story to get him really riled up enough to start throwing bombs around, the war gets started, then when the evidence comes out and everyone finds the original story was fake they can say "it's all Trump's fault taking us to war on emotion without hard evidence" and impeach him. So they get the war they want and blame it on a fall guy they wanted to get rid of anyway. By that point people will be ready to elect a strong war president and they'll get the sort of person the deep state wanted all along, who can take the moral high ground by trying to win a war they "never wanted"...
 
FollowingHim said:
I think Trump is being played very skillfully. Those running the show know he's emotive, want a war, and want to get rid of him. So they give him enough of a story to get him really riled up enough to start throwing bombs around, the war gets started, then when the evidence comes out and everyone finds the original story was fake they can say "it's all Trump's fault taking us to war on emotion without hard evidence" and impeach him. So they get the war they want and blame it on a fall guy they wanted to get rid of anyway. By that point people will be ready to elect a strong war president and they'll get the sort of person the deep state wanted all along, who can take the moral high ground by trying to win a war they "never wanted"...
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I think it's all kabuki theater to distract from domestic troubles.
 
Mojo said:
I think it's all kabuki theater to distract from domestic troubles.
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Which troubles?

FollowingHim said:
I think Trump is being played very skillfully. Those running the show know he's emotive, want a war, and want to get rid of him. So they give him enough of a story to get him really riled up enough to start throwing bombs around, the war gets started, then when the evidence comes out and everyone finds the original story was fake they can say "it's all Trump's fault taking us to war on emotion without hard evidence" and impeach him. So they get the war they want and blame it on a fall guy they wanted to get rid of anyway. By that point people will be ready to elect a strong war president and they'll get the sort of person the deep state wanted all along, who can take the moral high ground by trying to win a war they "never wanted"...
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I don't think anyone is underestimating the strength and skill of the deep state. It will take a minor miracle for Trump to be effective AND survive it.

But no one will be impeached over going to war; I'm not sure we've gone into war on anything but emotion and iffy evidence since the British invaded in 1811. Nor likely over sexual activities; we knew what we were getting when we elected a billionaire playboy. They're just hoping they can create enough fake smoke to catch out the president on an illegal cover-up.

The problem is, unless Trump folds on the border wall and immigration, his supporters will view any impeachment as illegitimate or worse.
 
FollowingHim said:
And back to the original topic: Trump's now tweeting that he's about to fire missiles at Syria, and calling Assad a "gas killing animal", without any evidence. Russia's promising to strike the "launch pads" of those missiles if he does (ie US warships).
Even the BBC is openly asking as a top headline today "Are we heading for a third world war?" The video's not actually worth watching, it's just confusing the issue by mashing together out-of-context quotes from disagreeing people. But once the bastions of the mainstream are starting to ask that, it's not just a fringe opinion.
The world's going mad. This may not erupt into war today, but it's as close as it's ever been.
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It's all talk. Russia can't afford to lose the face it would cost them to get in to a non nuclear shooting war with America. The level of disparity in our two militaries has never been greater since the end of WWII.

And they're broke. And Putin is really short. Remember that Russia couldn't beat the Ukraine back into submission just a few years ago.

America will fall but it will be from within or by a sucker punch to the homeland, not from international bogeymen.

Putin is fighting to block an Israeli gas line from getting to Europe thus eviscerating his cash flow and and eliminating his main leverage over the EU. If he loses a shooting match, which he would. Quickly and embarrassingly. Then the pipeline becomes almost a surety. He will bluster and bluff but there will be no war with America.
 
I hardly follow news anymore like @Kevin , but there's Stormy Daniels, the non-disclosure stuff, FBI investigations, a billions of dollars publicity stunt wall that he couldn't get Mexico to pay for (like that was ever going to happen)...those kinds of domestic things.
 
ZecAustin said:
The level of disparity in our two militaries has never been greater since the end of WWII.

And they're broke. And Putin is really short. Remember that Russia couldn't beat the Ukraine back into submission just a few years ago.
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I wouldn't be so quick to count out the Russians.
 
Mojo said:
I hardly follow news anymore like @Kevin , but there's Stormy Daniels, the non-disclosure stuff, FBI investigations, a billions of dollars publicity stunt wall that he couldn't get Mexico to pay for (like that was ever going to happen)...those kinds of domestic things.
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We've continually been at war for going on two decades now. Ramping up one of the ongoing conflicts isn't going to materially distract from such issues. Especially since most of them are mere smoke and mirrors.
 
rockfox said:
I wouldn't be so quick to count out the Russians.
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I agree. It's similar to Germany & Great Britain in the leadup to WW1. Germany knew they could never outmatch the royal navy. But they knew the navy was spread over the entire globe. With a much smaller force they could dominate the north sea. Same goes for Russia and the USA today. The USA has far more troops, but they're committed all around the world, as the USA has taken over from the UK as the dominant global imperial occupying / influencing force in the world. Russia doesn't need to outmatch the US military globally, only within the regions of interest to them. Nor do they need to outnumber them, if they have superior technology (which we won't really know until action begins). And it's not Russia alone, whenever the bombs start to fall Iran and even China are likely to fall in line with them. There was one report in the last couple of days that China had already instructed its naval vessels in the Mediterranean to immediately commence joint operations with the Russian navy should an attack be launched on Syria - that's unverified as far as I can tell, but it's very plausible.

You've got plenty of juicy sounding internal scandals, but they're the distraction, as they don't involve people getting blown up so are far less important. Wherever people are being killed, that's the real story - even if it was intended as a distraction from something petty.
 
Good points on both sides, but if this is just all part of the script that has been written for the end-times, logic does not apply.

I am not finding the verse where we are instructed to pray for those in authority over us, if someone wants to plug it in here.
 
FollowingHim said:
I agree. It's similar to Germany & Great Britain in the leadup to WW1. Germany knew they could never outmatch the royal navy. But they knew the navy was spread over the entire globe. With a much smaller force they could dominate the north sea. Same goes for Russia and the USA today. The USA has far more troops, but they're committed all around the world, as the USA has taken over from the UK as the dominant global imperial occupying / influencing force in the world. Russia doesn't need to outmatch the US military globally, only within the regions of interest to them. Nor do they need to outnumber them, if they have superior technology (which we won't really know until action begins). And it's not Russia alone, whenever the bombs start to fall Iran and even China are likely to fall in line with them. There was one report in the last couple of days that China had already instructed its naval vessels in the Mediterranean to immediately commence joint operations with the Russian navy should an attack be launched on Syria - that's unverified as far as I can tell, but it's very plausible.

You've got plenty of juicy sounding internal scandals, but they're the distraction, as they don't involve people getting blown up so are far less important. Wherever people are being killed, that's the real story - even if it was intended as a distraction from something petty.
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When the world's militaries dress out for gym class there is no one more laughed at than the Chinese navy. From carriers to tenders they are barely more than a mirage. Zero threat there. Taiwan doesn't worry about the Chinese navy.

I realize I'm the stereotypical ugly American but Russia will not risk getting America deeply involved in Syria. Whatever comes out of it won't be what Russia wants, which is to keep Israel from supplying natural gas to Europe.

Unless God intervened and was looking to humble America, a very real possibility.
 
steve said:
I am not finding the verse where we are instructed to pray for those in authority over us, if someone wants to plug it in here.
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1 Timothy 2:1. I exhort therefore, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercessions, and givings of thanks, be made for all men: 2. for kings and all who are in high places; that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and reverence. 3. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior; 4. who desires all people to be saved and come to full knowledge of the truth.
 
ZecAustin said:
When the world's militaries dress out for gym class there is no one more laughed at than the Chinese navy. From carriers to tenders they are barely more than a mirage. Zero threat there. Taiwan doesn't worry about the Chinese navy.

I realize I'm the stereotypical ugly American but Russia will not risk getting America deeply involved in Syria. Whatever comes out of it won't be what Russia wants, which is to keep Israel from supplying natural gas to Europe.

Unless God intervened and was looking to humble America, a very real possibility.
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Though I do believe this is much ado about nothing, and we can argue over what is distracting from what, I do have to say that if Russia or China do commence in military engagements, they wouldn't necessarily have to go in for the full win.

Russia is a hot mess internally, so Putin would use a few skirmishes to his own internal advantage.

China is proving its economic might. They are always dismissed as a paper tiger, militarily, with huge numbers of servicemen, but not much skill. They would just have to win a few selected rounds, pull out, then claim victory with their own people for a good showing.

Or, as @steve said, this could be the dress rehearsal for end-times....hmmmm.
 
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