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Complementarianism, Is equality an idol?
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No, it’s something that they’ve come up with to make patriarchs mad about.
It has been discussed in a couple of threads on this site, but I’m coming from a slightly different perspective.
Proponents generally teach that the man is the leader, but the minute that they disagree she is still his equal. (He gets to make the final decision once she agrees with him.)
My position is that fairness and equality become an idol that the marriage cannot survive without.
Women are not equal to men in marriage or in anything else.
Sometimes we're better, sometimes the men are.
Marriages are not 50-50 arrangements. One day it can be 40-60 and another day it's 60-40. Sometimes when someone is sick it's 99-1 with one spouse doing it all.
Equality and equity are communist illusions. They are a pronouncement of unreality and sin.
Is it the "equal in status" aspect you are focusing on?
Yes, that would be where it centers.
Spiritually, the same sacrifice/price was paid to redeem my soul from eternal condemnation as the soul of anyone else. It cost Jesus Christ everything. Therefore my status before Almighty God is the same as anyone else bought through the sacrifice of the Son.
Functionally, my wives submit to me and my children obey me because of the authority of the One who ordered the family structure. I don't have authority over any other man's wives or children. Their status is nothing to do with me.
Seems this book needs to read by some people:
mises.org
There is nothing good in complementarianism. Just like commies want equality in everything, these guys are sad because Bible goes allow more equality, so they have to find where it doesn't exist.
By the way, where is verse saying husband and wife have equal status?
Egalitarianism as a Revolt Against Nature, and Other Essays | Mises Institute
Egalitarianism as a Revolt against Nature, and Other Essays is vital reading for anyone interested in the thought of Murray Rothbard. The book is his
mises.org
There is nothing good in complementarianism. Just like commies want equality in everything, these guys are sad because Bible goes allow more equality, so they have to find where it doesn't exist.
By the way, where is verse saying husband and wife have equal status?
They actually do have one verse that they have co-opted.
Eph. 5:21Submitting yourselves one to another in the fear of God.
Most skilled exegetes will understand that 5:21 is the end of a thought, or series of similar thoughts regarding life skills and order amongst the brethren in righteous living throughout the assembly. It’s meant for the church as a whole, not specific to the home or domestic order.
5:22 and on gives specific examples of how and where submission works, what it looks like and when it applies. It gives the proper order of submission in everyday life: Wives submit, children submit, servants submit.
5:21 is used as a standalone, universal verse to apply to marriage. It’s not.
How many of these complementarían wives would advocate for their children to get veto rights on the house rules? How do the children complement the moms?
Couldn't have said it better.
“Oh, but that’s different.”
I think equality can definitely be an idol, just as anything which goes against the biblical order.
It is feminism in the church. I believe christian church feminism is more dangerous than blatant atheistic feminism. Egalitarianism is overt christian feminism and complementarianism is subversive covert christian feminism. It is the part of Marxist view about who has the power.
When you say that you believe in biblical order... Yet have exception clauses, then you don't actually live what you say you believe in. Complementarianism can also get to be spiritual adultery on the womans side. She will go to her pastor/priest on spiritual/biblical matters over her husband. These are the woman who will obey their husbands 'if', 'when', 'as long as', 'if he is spiritual enough', 'christian enough', 'is a strong enough spiritual leader', 'if he is following Gods will (aka her understanding of what that is)', and the list goes on.
in the end all feminism is not about being equal to men. It is about being equal to God. Or maybe more than Him.
The way society is going right now it seems like children DO get veto rights. Parents went out the door along with any form of discipline. Parents need to be their kids best friends. Screens are the babysitters, teachers, and rulers of the house.
Complementarian wives say the father is the leader and spiritual head, but as soon as he isn't good or spiritual enough they take the reins. So children sometimes end up as friends/cofidants of the mother rather than subordinant.
There is a reason in the bible it menfions women and children ruling rather than men. An inverse of the patriarchal order.