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Personal Feelings And Sin

Otto

Otto

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Romans 14:2-3
But another believer with a sensitive conscience will eat only vegetables. 3 Those who don’t eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them.

Verse 21
21 It is better not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything else if it might cause another believer to stumble.

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My Take:

We're supposed to be washed clean by God's Word. Sanctified by his truth. If within his truth - the Creator of the Heavens and Earth says that certain meat is food - and God instituted Holy Days centered on eating meat (Passover lamb) - and the Creator himself ate fish - then is the person that believes that eating meat is sin not judging the Lawgiver, King, and Judge? Is the creation supposed to be the one's repenting (and in submission) - or is the Creator?

James 4:11-12
When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy.

The word made flesh is the Son. If someone says that eating fish is sin (which is contrary to the truth) - then they are judging the law - and the law made flesh is the Son. They are judging the Son - when the Scriptures are clear - he is the Spotless Lamb.

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The same thing someone can say about polygyny. My feelings are hurt! Therefore, I believe it's wrong and sin. Once again - this feeling is contrary to the truth. They would be judging the law - and the law made flesh is the Son. So they'd be accusing Messiah of sin - when the Scriptures are clear - he is the Spotless Lamb.

Feelings can not create new laws. Feelings can not nullify the commandments of God. For example, "Eat the passover lamb." Or "Be fruitful and multiply."

The Messiah walked in the truth, and he had no problem offending people. For example, he healed on the Sabbath; and this offended the Pharisees that taught contrary to the Truth. Also, his disciples didn't wash their hands before eating - which is not contrary to the truth - so once again they had no problem offending people. He described himself in a polygynous marriage (marrying 5 virgins) - even though he knew our generation would be vehemently against it - so once again he has no problem offending people. There is a blessing for those not offended:

Matthew 11:6
And blessed is the one who is not offended by me.
 
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Otto said:
When you judge the law you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it.
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Right. And in Isaiah 10:1 it was said;

"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees"

Isn't this a directive from God through His Prophet for us to weigh and judge laws and to rebuke those who use laws to effect oppression?

You'll pardon me but I adamantly object to blind compliance with laws. It is a rejection of free will and it is also an abdication of the obligations of conscience.

In seeking God's Wisdom in Scripture we each come to an understanding of Scriptural law. But we are obligated to consider even those laws with a Godly conscience.

For instance, Leviticus 13:46 was sage wisdom in its time:

"He shall be unclean. All the days he has the sore he shall be unclean. He is unclean, and he shall dwell alone; his dwelling shall be outside the camp."

But now that leprosy is easily treated with modern medicine then in my judgment it would be cruel and abusive to force a leper into solitude instead of just providing him with the medicine necessary to cure him of the affliction.

Now you might disagree with me and you might come across a leper and demand that the leper be driven out of your city because that's the law.

So...do you use the gift of conscience to discern what is a just law and what is a just application of the law or do you abdicate your obligations as a Christian and refuse to comment in the face of injustice?

Matthew 25:45...

“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."
 
MeganC said:
Right. And in Isaiah 10:1 it was said;

"Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees"
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Isaiah 10:1 isn't directed at the Creator's own law. But it's in reference to man-made laws. For example, a King may issue a decree that forces you to abandon your property, because the King wants your land. Or issues a decree that you lose your job if you don't take some poison jab. Those are oppressive decrees.

Leviticus 13:46 is for an unknown skin disease. The Priests in that age knew how to identify it. All things - good or bad - come from above. Some are trials - some are punishments - some are for the Creator's own glory:

John 9:3
“It was not because of his sins or his parents’ sins,” Jesus answered. “This happened so the power of God could be seen in him.

Isaiah 45:9
What sorrow awaits those who argue with their Creator. Does a clay pot argue with its maker? Does the clay dispute with the one who shapes it, saying, ‘Stop, you’re doing it wrong!’ Does the pot exclaim, ‘How clumsy can you be?’
 
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For instance, Leviticus 13:46 was sage wisdom in its time:

"He shall be unclean. All the days he has the sore he shall be unclean. He is unclean, and he shall dwell alone; his dwelling shall be outside the camp."

But now that leprosy is easily treated with modern medicine then in my judgment it would be cruel and abusive to force a leper into solitude instead of just providing him with the medicine necessary to cure him of the affliction.

Now you might disagree with me and you might come across a leper and demand that the leper be driven out of your city because that's the law.

So...do you use the gift of conscience to discern what is a just law and what is a just application of the law or do you abdicate your obligations as a Christian and refuse to comment in the face of injustice?

Matthew 25:45...

“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me."
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It is not commanded nor implied that the leper is not to be cared for. What is being imposed is no different than what is imposed within care facilities. Quarantining until the person is cured.

It states that he is unclean and that he should dwell alone. That is simple Quarantining. It goes on to say that it is outside of the camp. The camp is where people were living. An argument could be made that a hospital room in Quarantine is outside the camp. Perhaps it is not but it would not be a silly argument. I would advise a conversation with God from the leadership similar to what Moses did when trying to determine what to do with the man violating the sabbath.

To your central premise, we should judge God's laws... No. I can't go there with you. His ways are clearly higher than our ways.

Peace! :)
 
Otto said:
Leviticus 13:46 is for an unknown skin disease.
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From the web:

The disease referred to in Leviticus 13:46 is leprosy (often described in biblical texts as a contagious skin disease or defiling skin infection). The verse specifies that anyone diagnosed with this condition must be declared ceremonially unclean and required to live alone outside the camp for as long as the disease persists.

Key details regarding this disease in Leviticus 13 include:
  • Diagnosis: It was identified by priests through specific physical signs, such as white hair in the affected spot, the infection appearing deeper than the skin, or the presence of raw flesh.
  • Social Status: The afflicted person had to wear torn clothes, leave their hair disheveled, cover their mustache, and cry out "Unclean! Unclean!" to warn others.
  • Symbolism: Theologically, this isolation served as a graphic illustration of sin's destructive power and its ability to separate humanity from God and the community.
  • Terminology: While commonly translated as leprosy, the Hebrew term tzara'at may refer to a variety of fungal, bacterial, or mold-related skin conditions, distinct from modern Hansen's disease.
 
Otto said:
Feelings can not create new laws. Feelings can not nullify the commandments of God.
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Which is why the feminization (feelings motivated) of the Western Church has led us to do many weird trends like “seeker sensitive”, therapy sessions disguised as sermons and 45 minute + praise music.

It’s feelings over substance. Those feelings empower all kinds of unprofitable things.
 
Mojo said:
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The inerrant fact of God's Ten Commandments is that they were written in stone by a means that was beyond the skill of man.

God personally wrote them.

This would have been abundantly clear to the people who saw the Tablets when Moses held them up for inspection.

Why? Because among the Jews were the most talented stone masons, stone cutters, and stone carvers in the ancient world. They would have called BS on Moses if those tablets showed any tool marks.

With me so far? Good. ;)

Even then there are several versions of the written Ten Commandments. This evidences the evil of men who would reinterpret The Word of God Himself.

Still, we mostly agree on the core Commandments.

As to the Laws? Well, they've been interpreted, translated, reinterpreted, and embellished over the centuries.

While I believe that much of it is the inspired Word of God there are laws whose failure to be timeless reveal a human source.
 
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