Oooooh! Actually funny enough I know an elder who was from Rural New Zealand... He married a Canadian recently so I don't know if he's still there
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Funny enough I can't seem to talk to anyone in one! Haha! I tried that first but no one would respond to me since they're so tight-knit, which I understand. I didn't even know other christians practiced polygamy that weren't like south american until a month or two ago
Catie makes some of the most amazing scones every Christmas for us. I'm a fan!Well, if someone read me in American and gave her a cup of tea and a scone, that wouldn't go amiss either.
I appreciate the fact that you are open to the possibility that not every belief you were raised with is necessarily correct.Hahaha! Oh I don't mind! I had a quite a laugh! From what I could tell most people put their religious background in their intro so I put mine. Oh but as a note I like hearing from other religions because not everything you are taught growing up and not everything in your traditions is going to be correct, and I believe every one should do what they can to seek out what is true despite culture, tradition, etc.
On the subject of food. Cake with cream poured over top is nice.
Haha! Yes I do like herbal tea and I don't drink black tea, but that's in part due to how bad the flavor is.
Do mormons never really turn up here? I was referenced here by some FLDS or independents blog, so I thought it was not that unusual. Doesn't matter anyway, I'm just surprised.
Sometimes we change our beliefs and sometimes we still have friendship and fellowship with people who don't share all of our beliefs.
We should all seek after truth and I'm glad you are doing that.
In my case, I was raised in one branch of Evangelicalism (Wesleyan Methodist type) and as an adult became persuaded that another branch of Evangelicalism (Reformed Baptist) seemed (in my opinion) to fit better with the Bible. I'm still very thankful for for the many good and true things that my Wesleyan parents taught me about Jesus and the Bible. I love them and know that they love Jesus and that they love me.
Even now, I don't totally agree with everything my church teaches. For example, I believe that God's Law permits polygamy and VERY FEW Baptists would agree with me about that.
Yes,
My original comment was a little sarcastic and out of place. FWIW, I went back and edited out my sarcastic comment.
Feel sorry for the guy.
For some bizarre reason very few Christians realize that the Bible permits polygamy (though the Bible seems pretty clear about it). We are trying to raise awareness of the topic.
Embodying this:
James 3:17-18 But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, unwavering, without hypocrisy. 18 And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
Thank you brother!
That is because most people aren't interested or positive about polygyny. The other aspect is the risk factor with someone unknown to you.....when you are doing something socially discouraged or illegal (like cohabitation in Utah).
We know a wonderful woman with a small shop who was just holding milk for pick up. Raw milk. The agreement was between the lady milking the cows and the people who wanted to use the milk. Someone from the fda pretended she needed milk for a baby (I say nasty baal supporter) and then got the shop keeper in trouble and shut down that link. So people are usually trained to caution by these sort of events.
You are very rare in being open to polygyny....and seeing it as a possibly good option. The wonderful aspect of this for you is that you will not be blind to an opportunity for marriage (if this is God's plan for your life) by being prejudiced against it. This can be a very lovely and supportive way to live....for those that are suited to it....or learn to appreciate it.
Since you mentioned the FLDS, I will point out something that most of us here, and the FLDS would disagree on.
My understanding is that the FLDS typically believe polygamy to be spiritually superior to monogamy.
I would instead suggest that the Bible permits both monogamy and polygamy (polygyny only of course), and simply calls them both "marriage". Marriage is good, both ways.
I second that! Seeing it as a higher way, or making it the goal of all members causes lots of imbalances in society. Allowing polygyny as an option however can help prevent those who would choose marriage from ending up single because either the single men did not inspire...or offer marriage.
What is strange here?
Most Christians don't desire to spend decades figuring out systematic theology. Besides Bible says some are to be teachers. So their job is figure out systematic theology so that rest can invest time in other task of civilization building.
Off course, rest assumes that teachers are correct and not practically all corrupted. After all, teachers should have decency and honor which should stop wholesale corruption.
I don't think they are all corrupt. Sometimes people are blinded by their traditions, and have never even considered an issue.
I grew up moving a lot. Most of my friends have not had similar beliefs to my own. I think I've maybe had three close LDS friends growing up. Most of my friends have been Catholic, agnostic, or atheist. I had a good muslim friend, she was cute. My mom's best friend is baptist, and I met a baptist girl recently who we share a lot of similar interests so I hope we can be friends. I think any break-off of friendships due to theological disagreements is wrong. Whether someone believes in trinity or not, whether they believe in polygamy or not. My sister says that she would be friends with anyone who isn't determined to commit and promote the sins God destroyed nations for, and I think that's a safe bet. Joseph Smith allowed preachers from other denominations to preach at his pulpit and welcomed them.
Just to add my two cents and not to argue, I love Joseph Smith on my own testimony so my being LDS won't change, but I know not everything I grew up with learning and my traditions is true so once again I like to hear what people say and am open to the fact that not everything I think I know is correct.
I don't know much about FLDS people, I tried to meet some, but I know there are a lot of crazy people who are cruel to them so they are very cautious, but because of that I can't say I know too much about what they actually believe. From what I can tell though, I don't agree with a lot of their doctrines or the way most of them live polygamy. But I would still like to be friends with them
Personally I believe polygamy itself (Why does everyone here say polygyny? What's the reason? I never heard that term till this site) is much more natural than monogamy. I know traditionally we grew up with monogamy so that is what everyone is comfortable with, but polygamy opens up a lot more things. And just because I believe that does not mean I look down on anyone who doesn't. And I definitely don't look down on people who have only one wife. Why would I? I just think it's a principle that if lived perfectly would be much nicer than a normal monogamous relationship, but as we are not perfect and are fighting our own traditions I think it is probably pretty hard and a lot of work but worth it
As for things polygamy opens to girls is the chance for closer friendships and ties. Pretty much every girl I know has a tendency to fan over boys. When we are younger in school the girls love to pick a boy that they all like and talk about how manly and handsome he is, or how funny and "Oh my gosh he said 'Hi!' to me today!" Then as you get older you are afraid because you can't all marry the same man so jealousies ensue and girls are forced to pick different guys than their friends to like and pursue. So I want to marry a man with another wife who I can giggle over, talk about how handsome he is and talk about our different romance stories with him, because love is love. And if you marry a man who you love and who loves you you are going to have a story about it. Jealousies do happen as we are not perfect but you know that's never going to change whether you're in a polygamous relationship or not. I don't think there's a married woman I know, and I personally only know monogamous women, who doesn't complain over some jealousy or another.
Another polygamy helps with is the physical differences between men and women. I grew up hearing women complain about men's sex drive. Men from what I can tell and have heard have a much greater drive. They don't need a break every month, and they don't get pregnant, so from what I can tell, a relationship with one many and a few wives is beneficial for both genders.
I'm sure there are more reasons and maybe one day when I get married I'll make a list for you all. I know I know, I am not in a polygamous relationship nor do I personally know anyone who is, so my opinions are not perfect but I don't think being in a relationship leaves you with a perfect knowledge either.
Frankly I think any complaints about polygamy lie with people not being perfect and not the basic principle itself.
Just to add my two cents and not to argue, I love Joseph Smith on my own testimony so my being LDS won't change, but I know not everything I grew up with learning and my traditions is true so once again I like to hear what people say and am open to the fact that not everything I think I know is correct.
I don't know much about FLDS people, I tried to meet some, but I know there are a lot of crazy people who are cruel to them so they are very cautious, but because of that I can't say I know too much about what they actually believe. From what I can tell though, I don't agree with a lot of their doctrines or the way most of them live polygamy. But I would still like to be friends with them
Personally I believe polygamy itself (Why does everyone here say polygyny? What's the reason? I never heard that term till this site) is much more natural than monogamy. I know traditionally we grew up with monogamy so that is what everyone is comfortable with, but polygamy opens up a lot more things. And just because I believe that does not mean I look down on anyone who doesn't. And I definitely don't look down on people who have only one wife. Why would I? I just think it's a principle that if lived perfectly would be much nicer than a normal monogamous relationship, but as we are not perfect and are fighting our own traditions I think it is probably pretty hard and a lot of work but worth it
As for things polygamy opens to girls is the chance for closer friendships and ties. Pretty much every girl I know has a tendency to fan over boys. When we are younger in school the girls love to pick a boy that they all like and talk about how manly and handsome he is, or how funny and "Oh my gosh he said 'Hi!' to me today!" Then as you get older you are afraid because you can't all marry the same man so jealousies ensue and girls are forced to pick different guys than their friends to like and pursue. So I want to marry a man with another wife who I can giggle over, talk about how handsome he is and talk about our different romance stories with him, because love is love. And if you marry a man who you love and who loves you you are going to have a story about it. Jealousies do happen as we are not perfect but you know that's never going to change whether you're in a polygamous relationship or not. I don't think there's a married woman I know, and I personally only know monogamous women, who doesn't complain over some jealousy or another.
Another polygamy helps with is the physical differences between men and women. I grew up hearing women complain about men's sex drive. Men from what I can tell and have heard have a much greater drive. They don't need a break every month, and they don't get pregnant, so from what I can tell, a relationship with one many and a few wives is beneficial for both genders.
I'm sure there are more reasons and maybe one day when I get married I'll make a list for you all. I know I know, I am not in a polygamous relationship nor do I personally know anyone who is, so my opinions are not perfect but I don't think being in a relationship leaves you with a perfect knowledge either.
Frankly I think any complaints about polygamy lie with people not being perfect and not the basic principle itself.
Please tell me how a person can edit a comment they have already posted, or refer me to someone or something that can. I'm bad with computers and this site has been a little tricky to figure out
I used to correspond with two FLDS women/girls and we've had forced-out FLDS boys come through the fellowship over the years.
Their take on poly is effectively what you say here but they make it sound more nuanced. Like they will say there's only so many men with what equates to a Temple Recommend (IMHO) and those few men are obligated to take in multiple women in order to save them.
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Polygyny is just a more specific term for regular traditional polygamy where there is a man with more than one wife.
That's normally what people are talking about when they use the word polygamy.
In the Bible we see men like Abraham, Jacob, Gideon, David, and Solomon who had multiple wives.
We never see a woman married to multiple husbands. The Bible would call that adultery, and God does not permit it.
In our modern secular society people talk about all sorts of strange and ungodly relationships such as:
Polyandry - woman has multiple husbands
Polyamory - people have sexual relationships with a variety of others
We would say that God only permits monogamy and traditional polygamy.